{"id":2816,"date":"2012-12-10T13:46:28","date_gmt":"2012-12-10T13:46:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/?p=2816"},"modified":"2021-07-22T12:32:35","modified_gmt":"2021-07-22T12:32:35","slug":"baas-over-eigen-foto-of-twitter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/en\/baas-over-eigen-foto-of-twitter\/","title":{"rendered":"Baas over eigen foto of \u00a9 Twitter?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cAcht mannen op het podium, dan is zo&#8217;n boerka niet eens nodig\u201d. Dat was de kop boven van een <a href=\"http:\/\/www.volkskrant.nl\/vk\/nl\/6177\/Malou-van-Hintum\/article\/detail\/3358578\/2012\/12\/05\/Acht-mannen-op-het-podium-dan-is-zo-n-boerka-niet-eens-nodig.dhtml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">column van Malou van Hintum<\/a> in de Volkskrant. Aanleiding was de <em>scrum<\/em> sessie <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reddejournalistiek.nl\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Red de Journalistiek<\/a> #rdj12 in De Balie.<\/p>\n<p>Middelpunt van de avond was <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mariannezw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Marianne Zwagerman<\/a> die acht mediamannen op het podium had gezet (ik was \u00e9\u00e9n van de acht \u2013 2<sup>e<\/sup> van rechts).<\/p>\n<p>Tijdens de bijeenkomst was het <em>all-male <\/em>panel al <em>trending<\/em>\u00a0in de #rdj12-discussie. E\u00e9n van de tweets ging vergezeld van een foto met 8 mannen op een rijtje. Zwagerman stond er niet op. Die foto plaatste de Volkskrant bij haar artikel.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/vk_versie1.png\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2819\" src=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/vk_versie1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"502\" height=\"347\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Curieus was de bronvermelding: \u00a9 TWITTER. Ik vroeg op Twitter of iemand wist wie de echte maker was. Bij de Volkskrant dacht men eerst dat het \u00e9\u00e9n van de eigen redacteuren was. Er waren er twee aanwezig die avond, maar foto&#8217;s hadden ze niet gemaakt. Wel zette \u00e9\u00e9n van hen deze foto bij de column die werd aangeboden, in de veronderstelling dat de bronvermelding \u00a9 TWITTER voldoende was.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/wiemaakte.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2820\" src=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/wiemaakte.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"543\" height=\"192\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Maar na een paar minuten bleek dat de bron <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/corrysiegers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@corrysiegers<\/a> was.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/Screen-shot-2012-12-10-at-1.52.22-PM.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2821\" src=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/Screen-shot-2012-12-10-at-1.52.22-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"533\" height=\"492\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Ondertussen was er twitterverkeer op gang gekomen. Dienstdoend vk.nl-chef <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/pietersabel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@pietersabel<\/a> ging het uitzoeken, verving de foto tijdelijk door een nietszeggende stockfoto van een stropdas. Hij had vastgesteld dat er &#8211; ten onrechte &#8211; geen toestemming was gevraagd. &#8220;Normaliter vragen we altijd gelijk toestemming&#8221; volgens vk.nl-chef <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/laurensvhg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@LaurensVHG<\/a> op Twitter.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/vk_versie2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2822\" src=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/vk_versie2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"526\" height=\"470\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>@PieterSabel excuseerde zich bij maker @corrysiegers en vroeg alsnog toestemming. Daar voelde de maakster weinig voor omdat ze &#8220;geen zin (had) om met bronvermelding mijn naam te verbinden aan een artikel dat volledig niet aansluit bij mijn opvattingen&#8221;. Maar na een tijdje verscheen het bericht opnieuw \u2013 nu met een 3<sup>e<\/sup> foto \u2013 wel met de juiste credits, namelijk van Dichtbij-hoofdredacteur Bart Brouwers (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/brewbart\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@brewbart<\/a>) die zijn plaatje had aangeboden aan de Volkskrant.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/vk_versie3.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2823\" src=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/vk_versie3.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"534\" height=\"449\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>De eerste vraag is natuurlijk waarom de Volkskrant niet meteen de juiste credits plaatste. Dat was ook wel ironisch omdat iedereen \u2013 inclusief <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PhRemarque\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@PhRemarque<\/a>\u00a0&#8211; zich had uitgesproken tegen het ongevraagd gebruiken van content van anderen. Dat bleek dus een misverstand, en een misverstand dat snel was opgelost.<\/p>\n<p>Maar na een tweet van Jeroen Schreurs rees een andere vraag: van wie zijn Twitterfoto\u2019s eigenlijk? Of je Facebook-foto\u2019s, of je blog-foto\u2019s? Van Twitter, van je zelf? Van iedereen? Moet je ervoor betalen? Mag je ze zomaar overnemen?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/jeroen_schreurs.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2825\" src=\"https:\/\/www.journalismlab.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/jeroen_schreurs.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"542\" height=\"119\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Wie bij Twitter gaat zoeken komt bij een Engelstalige pagina, de <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tos\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">terms of service<\/a>, waar Twitter stelt dat je eigenaar blijft van je content, maar dat Twitter zelf ook eigenaar van je content wordt &#8211; non-exclusive (en zonder dat ze de eigenlijke rechthebbende hoeven te betalen). Dus in feite had de Volkskrant ook bij Twitter toestemming kunnen vragen.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em>You retain your rights to any Content you submit, post or display on or through the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through the Services, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute such Content in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed).<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Twitter is niet de enige service waarbij je content kan plaatsten die vervolgens niet meer (of niet meer helemaal) van jou is. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tonie\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tonie van Ringelestijn<\/a> besteedde\u00a0op\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bright.nl\/deze-site-leest-alle-gebruiksvoorwaarden-voor-jou\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bright<\/a>\u00a0een paar maanden geleden aandacht aan dit fenomeen en noemde de super-handige\u00a0site <a href=\"http:\/\/tos-dr.info\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">TOS-DR<\/a> waarop je kunt vinden wat er (o.a.) met je rechten gebeurt. Twitter en Twitpic hebben slechte voorwaarden op het gebied van rechten (<em>very broad<\/em>), evenals Facebook, Google en Delicious. Wie zijn rechten echt wil houden kan beter bloggen en daar \u00a0foto&#8217;s plaatsen.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cAcht mannen op het podium, dan is zo&#8217;n boerka niet eens nodig\u201d. Dat was de kop boven van een column van Malou van Hintum in de Volkskrant. Aanleiding was de scrum sessie Red de Journalistiek #rdj12 in De Balie. 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